Stat Problems

[Jeremy]

I will send off an email right now to the team. It's probably an issue with extrapolating the data from CD Poker to the PAW backend. Likewise the casino data needs to be uploaded manually. I will make sure it is done. Your sign-ups are there though. For an exact number immediately, just email Marius.

In regards to the Fulltilt issue, Mitchell will be putting out an official announcement. (We still have not heard this directly from Fulltilt) but here is the explanation a few other affiliates received.

In the past, players that signed up through a Fulltilt tracker and had $ transferred into their account were initially recognized as real money players. However this apparently is not valid to qualify for CPA. The player needs to actually deposit on their own and reach the requirements.

At some point FT must have realized this and they removed these players from the respective trackers. These players apparently WILL be credited back to the affiliate or tracker once they deposit on their own.

Again this is third party information we have received from other affiliates who have gotten a response back from FullTilt. For the record we have NOT received an official statement from them, so take this FWIW. If we do, I will certainly post the entire response here.

This probably does sound accurate though.

[corpfan1]

Sounds like "$50 FREE" CPA Fraud to me.

[Jeremy]

Well, yes maybe in some cases. I have on occasion loaded someone's account whom I thought would move their rolls over to FT or become a good player. Although this was always on MGR, so I guess that would be different.

I can certainly see why FT wouldn't count this towards CPA, but an announcement or email would have been nice.

[stillshadow]

I don't know about other affiliates, but I NEVER do any sort of incentivized marketing. I literally have NO contact with players who sign up through my sites. If that is the reason for players being taken away from other affiliates, it certainly wasn't in my case.

Marius had previously said to me that it was a reporting error and I was willing to leave it at that. I never did anything like that nor would I ever in the future. I know that it's out of PAW's control, but I don't like suggestions that those who had players taken away were transferring money. I am not some newbie affiliate who needs to run BS promotions to get players.

The numbers seem to be doing well this month and I look forward to future white-hat success with the network. If it were up to me, we wouldn't even allow ANY incentivized marketing.

[Jeremy]

I agree still, again this info was third party info passed on to us from other affiliates and not Fulltilt. I do think there had to be other issues as well besides just those type of players.

If it were up to me, we wouldn't even allow ANY incentivized marketing.

My guess is that this is probably not far away. I think if affiliates want to promote with incentives they should do so on "standard CPA's" like $75 at best until they have proven they can send quality players.

This is probably going to happen very soon.

[Darko]

Originally Posted by corpfan1

Sounds like "$50 FREE" CPA Fraud to me.

Originally Posted by stillshadow

I don't know about other affiliates, but I NEVER do any sort of incentivized marketing. I literally have NO contact with players who sign up through my sites. If that is the reason for players being taken away from other affiliates, it certainly wasn't in my case.

Yes it def sounds like cpa fraud could be the reason - BUT like "stillshadow" i too lost a bunch of players and i have ZERO incentive advertising or any contant with my players.

if it is the case that they have taken away the non self depositers, then im amazed how many of my players sign up and get a friend to trf some money to them (as it sure enough wasnt me giving them some free $$$)

[ResIpsa]

This is not about incentivized players or any type of affiliate fraud. It is simply a reality of the post-neteller world where people are having trouble funding their accounts and have friends transfer money to them as their initial deposit Note that this is NOT the affiliate transferring money to the player and the affiliate probably has no knowledge that this is going on.

[Jeremy]

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This is not about incentivized players or any type of affiliate fraud. It is simply a reality of the post-neteller world where people are having trouble funding their accounts and have friends transfer money to them as their initial deposit Note that this is NOT the affiliate transferring money to the player and the affiliate probably has no knowledge that this is going on.

Great point. For example I would really have no way to fund my FT account if I didn't have money in it. I would probably swap with a buddy on Stars or something. FT should allow this if the funds are not coming from the affiliate and the player is a legitimate player.

[Darko]

Originally Posted by ResIpsa

This is not about incentivized players or any type of affiliate fraud. It is simply a reality of the post-neteller world where people are having trouble funding their accounts and have friends transfer money to them as their initial deposit Note that this is NOT the affiliate transferring money to the player and the affiliate probably has no knowledge that this is going on.

Yes, that makes perfect sense

So that means that FT are basically ripping us off........ what difference does it make if the friend sends them money or if they deposit themself....... NOTHING - Except FT pay us less

[stillshadow]

Good point regarding inter-player transfers and I suppose that is entirely possible. However, as Darko says, this is really a poor way to do things on Full Tilt's end. They still collect the same rake regardless of how a player funds their account. If it isn't a transfer from the affiliate then it shouldn't stop the commission. If they're worried about fraud, why not increase the playing requirements for players who have received transfers to 500FTP or something similar?

I also agree, Jeremy, regarding the lower CPA for incentivized marketing. I'm not sure how many requests the network is getting for this type of scheme, but it certainly couldn't hurt normal affiliates.