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Old 10-23-2007, 02:31 PM
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Than let the come clean on thier own without adding more drama
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Old 10-23-2007, 02:32 PM
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Old 10-23-2007, 02:48 PM
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Whatever - obviously you are expecting this to happen right away. Is the room being audited ?

Let me ask you than...how is reporting a play by play of whats going on beneficial to your readers?

Yes you want to be honest and you can but how is it going to look when some of these "reports" turn out to be nothing but utter bullshit? Will you still be looked upon as honest when what you have given them as a story is something that could grace the cover of the enquirer.

not trying to sound rude or anything but shouldnt you as an affiliate be looking at how to turn this around.There is no reason to rehash all the negitive garbage when you can use that smae story and revise it into a positive approach.

You will still being honest, informative and possibly help the industry.
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Old 10-23-2007, 02:52 PM
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The sick fact is that it wasn't just a customer or some low level employee caught cheating, it was the Fckn Senior MANAGEMENT!

The Son of a bitch(es) needs to be throw in jail and the site should be sold to an established trustworthy enity. Period!
So, you think selling the company is the answer? Who do you think is 'trustworthy'? Full Tilt? Pokerstars? Bodog? You thought Absolute was before this all came out too. There's nothing to say that this same exact thing couldn't have happened (or couldn't still happen) at any site.

To suggest that selling the company to someone else doesn't help anything. Who in the industry do you think is most afraid of this kind of press right now? It's Absolute, I guarantee you that. And the cheaters are afraid of playing there. AP is likely the safest site to play on right now. You were fine with promoting them when you thought everything was fine. Well, you also think everything is fine at the other sites you market, doesn't mean everything actually is.

The idea that anyone is 'protecting' their players by not marketing AP is only fooling themself. Nobody is able to protect any player from anything like this. Did someone here have 'cheater radar' and tell their players that a player at AP was going to cheat the game, before it happened? No. So, nobody was protected. Now that it's all over with, who do you think you're protecting by booting them off your site? AP, with their newfound paranoia are probably watching players more closely than ever. Players are paying more attention than ever. Cheaters have moved to other sites. So, what do you think you're protecting your players from? NOTHING! At this point, you're probably just keeping them away from the safest online poker room, so you can send them to another site that you for some unknown reason believe is 'safe'. If this happens at another site that you market, what will you say then? Are your players going to ask you why you didn't protect them? No, because you aren't psychic. Cheating to some extent happens at every single site. Collusion is cheating, and goes on every moment of every day, at every site. So, sell them all? It's something we live with and we all know that. Poker is a skill game, but anyone who doesn't think there's some gamble in it is simply naive.

I played in a large satellite tournament at PP a couple years ago. Without getting into all the details, PP took back all of the satellite packages because they suspected that somewhere around 200 people had been involved in colluding. Since there was too much data to go over, and so many people suspected to be involved they decided to simply return everyones buy-in fee. This included the players who they suspected. Did you ever hear about that? No - 200 people, and you never heard about it. If I hadn't told you that, would you have said PP was 'trustworthy'?

Trustworthy is a relative term.
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Old 10-23-2007, 02:57 PM
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Whatever - obviously you are expecting this to happen right away. Is the room being audited ?

Let me ask you than...how is reporting a play by play of whats going on beneficial to your readers?

Yes you want to be honest and you can but how is it going to look when some of these "reports" turn out to be nothing but utter bullshit? Will you still be looked upon as honest when what you have given them as a story is something that could grace the cover of the enquirer.

not trying to sound rude or anything but shouldnt you as an affiliate be looking at how to turn this around.There is no reason to rehash all the negitive garbage when you can use that smae story and revise it into a positive approach.

You will still being honest, informative and possibly help the industry.
Firstly if you had a clue what was going on then you would know that Absolute have admitted that these reports are true. That is a fact.

Secondly as an affiliate I have turned this around by being honest with my players and gaining more respect from them as many affiliates have done. I have been asked by some players why I have stopped promoting Absolute and I have been 100% honest and told them why. I have also said that once the investigations are over then I will be happy to promote absolute again.

What is wrong with that?
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Old 10-23-2007, 02:59 PM
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Also the site www.potripper.co.uk has had over 1000 page views today and has generated 5 sign ups so I think I have used the negative industry climate to my advantage.
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Old 10-23-2007, 03:04 PM
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Firstly if you had a clue what was going on then you would know that Absolute have admitted that these reports are true. That is a fact.
Thank you for pointing that out to me .I must have missed that somewhere between reading PAW, google news and oh my god about every freaking site that is in some shape or form realted to gambling - kudos to you for pointing out what I have been missing in all of this.
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Old 10-23-2007, 03:08 PM
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Thank you for pointing that out to me .I must have missed that somewhere between reading PAW, google news and oh my god about every freaking site that is in some shape or form realted to gambling - kudos to you for pointing out what I have been missing in all of this.
LOL I think I'm wasting my time.
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Old 10-23-2007, 03:12 PM
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Secondly as an affiliate I have turned this around by being honest with my players and gaining more respect from them as many affiliates have done. I have been asked by some players why I have stopped promoting Absolute and I have been 100% honest and told them why. I have also said that once the investigations are over then I will be happy to promote absolute again.

What is wrong with that?
You can choose to promote any room you want, nothing is wrong with that Ram. But, the idea that because you pulled them from your site somehow makes your players any safer is false. Your players are no safer signing up at any other room. Do you know if FTP is going to get hit with something similar tomorrow? No. Doyles? No. Anywhere else? No, and all you're doing is giving people a false sense of security that you Ram, Leader of All Players Whom That of Which are Good are somehow 'protecting' them, which you are not. The truth is, you don't know when, or what site will get hit next. We all find this stuff out after the fact. Now that everyone and their brother knows about it, AP is probably the most secure (ironically), but you're making sure to protect people from.....?
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Old 10-23-2007, 03:25 PM
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You can choose to promote any room you want, nothing is wrong with that Ram. But, the idea that because you pulled them from your site somehow makes your players any safer is false. Your players are no safer signing up at any other room. Do you know if FTP is going to get hit with something similar tomorrow? No. Doyles? No. Anywhere else? No, and all you're doing is giving people a false sense of security that you Ram, Leader of All Players Whom That of Which are Good are somehow 'protecting' them, which you are not. The truth is, you don't know when, or what site will get hit next. We all find this stuff out after the fact. Now that everyone and their brother knows about it, AP is probably the most secure (ironically), but you're making sure to protect people from.....?
In many ways I agree with you. It is possible though that if management is involved Absolute could be in big trouble. I have many players who play high stakes and I feel I had to let them know. What if Absolute goes down the pan (I know this is unlikely) but you never know.

As a good example earlier this year I found out that a small poker room I was promoting was going to be taken over. I asked the existing owner if my members funds would be safe as I had around 50 players with over 10K in the site. He said that for a period of a week my players might not be able to withdraw funds although he guaranteed that there money would be safe.

I thought about this overnight and emailed every player with money in the site what was going to happen and over 8K was withdrawn. I also told the manager of the site that I had to be honest and tell my players what was going to happen.

I can't tell you have much respect I earned from my players simply by being honest and I have found that is always the best way to deal with people.

We all run our businesses in different ways and as I have said I understand those that are still promoting absolute.

Each to their own. Can we agree to disagree?
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