Bot solution.

[DeadMoneyDad]

Yeah it's me.....

I've been creating a stink in other forums about what IMO is a crappy response by FT to the recent HU limit bot "scandal."

I think the affiliates since they in effect "launder" the majority of the end user profits should for the good of poker shoulder part of the responsibility.

No affiliates are not set up with all of the security tools a major poker site like FT is supposed to have. The extent of FT's security is for another thread.

Since their is already a nice built in delay in the FT rakeback payment system, my solution is to add a week.

In this time the affiliate can if they so choose kick back any unusual accounts or account activity it may be able to see.

If FT signs off on the account payments the affiliate is off the hook for that months potential charge-backs. End of the affiliates responsibilities!

If an affiliate for marketing reasons or whatever thinks their is a profit to be made from having the speediest rakeback payments it does so at it's own risk of potential chargebacks.

Ideas and flames welcome,

D$D

[edmc]

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[TheDonk]

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[edmc]

I decided to delete.

Reason : I disagree with stance & argument would just give me the opportunity to argue

[NewPokerGirl]

Don't worry ED...I'm only smart enough to figure out what your talking about part of the time (lol j/k)....but all the responsibility of this thread falls on the OP.....I am kind confused as well though....I know about the AP scandal but I didn't hear about the FT scandal....please enlighten me OP.

[edmc]

Originally Posted by NewPokerGirl

Don't worry ED...I'm only smart enough to figure out what your talking about part of the time (lol j/k)....but all the responsibility of this thread falls on the OP.....I am kind confused as well though....I know about the AP scandal but I didn't hear about the FT scandal....please enlighten me OP.

Yeah, I didnt realise it was an ongoing argument. I heard about the FT thing but it didnt hold up to much. I have suspected bots before & just double raised them. They have almost perfected my chat though which is worrying for the poker community

[DeadMoneyDad]

Originally Posted by NewPokerGirl

Don't worry ED...I'm only smart enough to figure out what your talking about part of the time (lol j/k)....but all the responsibility of this thread falls on the OP.....I am kind confused as well though....I know about the AP scandal but I didn't hear about the FT scandal....please enlighten me OP.

The long version with links to the whole story on 2+2. http://pokerforums.fulltiltpoker.com...play32839.html

The bottom line in FT's forum a claimed refund letter: http://pokerforums.fulltiltpoker.com...ic.php?t=38758 including a link to a semi-poker news site.


D$D

[Jeremy]

I can understand if you are dissatisfied with the response of Fulltilt in respect to discovering bots. But your suggestion that affiliates should bear some responsibility for bots is rather confusing. Affiliate revenue already is being affected if charge backs occur.

In this time the affiliate can if they so choose kick back any unusual accounts or account activity it may be able to see.

Does this mean you want me (the affiliate) to monitor my new and existing players for suspicious play, fraud, or bots. If so, that is just idiotic. Bigger affiliates send hundreds of players a week and this would be impossible. You said it yourself, we don't have the security or admin tools to even attempt this.

I suspect your post is only geared towards the rakeback affiliates that offer daily or weekly payments, maybe you can be more specific about what exactly affiliates are supposed to do.

Personally I am impressed that Fulltilt actually made a statement about these players in the first place and actually issued refunds. I can think of many other rooms that probably would have just banned the players and that would be the end of it.

[DblEntendre]

Originally Posted by DeadMoneyDad

I think the affiliates since they in effect "launder" the majority of the end user profits should for the good of poker shoulder part of the responsibility.

No affiliates are not set up with all of the security tools a major poker site like FT is supposed to have. The extent of FT's security is for another thread.

Why don't you just state what you are getting at here. You do not like how FTP handled the situation and you want someone to pay for it (now and in the future) and affiliates just happen to be next on the food chain.

You admit that affiliates do not have the tools to monitor their players for potential, but you still want them to do it anyway and hold them responsible.

Wow. Just, wow.

[LadyHoldem]

Didn't that thread say that affiliates know a suspicious account when they see one.. cuz.. i don't.. i just have no idea.. does everyone else? I can't be the ONLY clueless affiliate..

For the most part, I just try to focus on design.. promotion.. and writing.. I can be kinda simple though..