Classic! TonyG - The Scam Begins

[TexasHoldem]

Ok so I started my rant in this thread, but I can see it is going to go on for a little bit, so I thought I would start a new one ..

This is the exact email I got from TonyGPoker Support

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Issue: Withdrawal request
Issue Number: 4699
Creation Date: 12/02/2006
Description:

Hello,
We will not reply to any requests sent from unverified email addresses.
If you would like to register and use the email address you are sending from, please send in your first and last names, complete postal mailing address, and date of birth.
Regarding the POKERNEWSLTD promotion:
Please read the terms and conditions of the promotion.
Create an account and deposit at least $10 for an extra $75 to be added to your account instantly. The extra $75 is then yours to play with!
Terms:
- This promotion is for new players only.
- One account per household.
- Players must earn 750 FPP before making a withdrawal of bonus money and winnings.
- If you don’t earn the 750 FPP in 30 days, the free $75 will be removed from your account.
- No inter-account transfers will be allowed.
- You still qualify for the special 200% to $600 deposit bonus on your deposit. This bonus will not expire.
- TonyGPoker reserves the right to request ID for withdrawals.
- TonyGPoker reserves the right to suspend accounts if players are suspected to be involved in fraudulent or unfair activity or do not adhere to other terms.
http://www.tonygpoker.com/landing/pokernewsextra75.htm

If you have any further questions, please contact us (from your registered address).
Kind regards,
Don
TonyG Poker Support
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Have a look at the LINK they sent, and have a look at the terms in the email. They are slightly different. The published ones are below, take special care reading term #3. The website conveniently have this extra information added:

"If you withdraw before 750 FPP, you will only be able to withdraw up the amount of your initial deposit."

Here are the terms as posted on the website, the link they sent to me in the email.

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POKERNEWS EXTRA $75 PROMOTION

Create an account and deposit at least $10 for an extra $75 to be added to your account instantly. The extra $75 is then yours to play with!
Terms:

1. This promotion is for new players only.
2. One account per household.
3. Players must earn 750 FPP before making a withdrawal of bonus money and winnings. If you withdraw before 750 FPP, you will only be able to withdraw up the amount of your initial deposit.
4. If you don’t earn the 750 FPP in 30 days, the free $75 will be removed from your account.
5. No inter-account transfers will be allowed.
6. You still qualify for the special 200% to $600 deposit bonus on your deposit. This bonus will not expire.
7. TonyGPoker reserves the right to request ID for withdrawals.
8. TonyGPoker reserves the right to suspend accounts if players are suspected to be involved in fraudulent or unfair activity or do not adhere to other terms.

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The only thing I change above was bolding the discrepancy.

So, as I said previously in the "Withdraw" thread, I deposited $75, got $75 free. I am down $30, pulled $75, leaving $45.

Stay tuned for more exciting scams from TonyGPoker ..

Will the support team conveniently change more terms and conditions to prevent my withdrawal?

Will they drag it out for another 20 odd days, enough time to inact Term 4 and "remove the $75 from my account"?

Will they quickly change the terms and conditions on the website to match their scam?


Oh, btw, I would take a screenshot but I know that can be faked. So I looked at the cached version of the link from Google.

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:...n&ct=clnk&cd=1

This is G o o g l e's cache of http://www.tonygpoker.com/landing/pokernewsextra75.htm as retrieved on 25 Nov 2006 00:32:50 GMT.

It clearly shows the extra information in Term #3, so they can't change it on me

[TexasHoldem]

Btw, how funny is this:

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We will not reply to any requests sent from unverified email addresses.
If you would like to register and use the email address you are sending from, please send in your first and last names, complete postal mailing address, and date of birth.
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So if I can't send mail from the address that they will listen to, why ask for all the other information from the same email address?

I could email them back from if I wanted. Any idiot knows that you can SEND fake email headers, but as long as they reply to the email address registered in my account, as I instructed them to do, then it will be safe.

My account registered with them is and I am emailing them from and they wont help me. LOL.

Surely lots of people here do this? Avoid spam by using an alias for every site you sign up to etc?

I got spam from Fairpoker once to and let the guys know. Obviously I don't like it when they sell my email addresses or when someone at Titan steals player lists and sells them to someone running fairpoker ads. Anyway, that's another story.

It's just a joke how they won't just reply to the email address in my account.

[TexasHoldem]

Jose is on the case for me.

[TexasHoldem]

Withdrawal has now been processed.

I did not have to provide any further information or ID.

It just so happens that it takes over a week for a withdrawal if you are part of a promotion that even the promoter themselves does not know the terms and conditions

[TexasHoldem]

TonyG Support have got back to me again, explaining that the web promotion and support replies are now "in sync".

"The support response has been modified to include the following sentence, so the promotion URL and support response will match exactly."

I still have no idea why the Neteller withdrawal took a week, however they gave me a free tournament entry coupon for all this mess so I guess I'll just "forget about it"

[Jeremy]

Glad to hear they did write thing, nice work Jose.

[TexasHoldem]

And the "right" thing also

[corpfan1]

Lol