Clearing cookies set by other sites

[RakeAway]

Is there a way to run a script that deletes cookies set by domains other than your own? Clearing all cookies is also an option. I want to include a link on my website to clear cookies for a particular website before visiting, to make sure users are tracked properly. Of course I won't execute the script automatically, I'll add it as a separate link. It is in the users' own interest to make sure they are tracked properly.
Thanks

[PPP]

Is there an easy way to steal players that should be tracked to someone else? Good luck with getting anyone to help you with that.

[offyourface]

I don't really see anything wrong with this. To me its retarded for another affiliate to get credit for the referral just because the visitor clicked on the link from a different website a few weeks ago. If they click on my link, that means I did my job and gave them enough information to sell them on the product. Why should affiliate X get credit on this referral when I sold them?

I always wonder how much money I would really make if I got credit for each and every player that exits to a gambling site from my link. Unfortunately some programs think its ok to pay everyone but me when I send them a real money player. As a matter of fact I remember a discussion over at cap about cookies, I think it was about the referback program and this is the reason I would never touch their program with a 10 foot pole. Once a player signs up with one of their properties under an affiliate, that same affiliate gets credit for all signups even if they come to my site and decide to join another one of their other properties based on the information they found on my site, I am still shit out of luck.

But back to this scenario, as long as the user opts in for this, its nothing more than an automated process to clearing the cookies. No different than those sites that walk the players through how to clear cookies with a step by step direction page, only we would be automating the process for them.

I am curious the ratio of programs that do cookies this way (IE Referback) compared to programs that give credit to the last affiliate that sent the referral. Anyone know? This is something I want to learn more about.

[RakeAway]

Originally Posted by PPP

Is there an easy way to steal players that should be tracked to someone else? Good luck with getting anyone to help you with that.

I know it's a system that could be abused, but my site almost exclusively promotes incentivized marketing deals, whereby it is very important for the player to be signed up via the correct affiliate to be able to receive the incentive.
Also, clearing all cookies would also remove cookies that I set myself, and use for tracking who referred a particular player to my site. A user clearing all cookies, then refreshing the page or leaving the page before returning to sign up would lead to that player not being attributed to the person who referred him to my site. It would actually save me money in the end, if no one found out, but that's not how I want to do business. If I could run a script directly from the site to clear all cookies (if the user opts in), then I could also tell it to set the referral cookie again, meaning that I can pay the referrer what he deserves.
I hope that's a good enough explanation of what I want to do. If you're still skeptical, I understand.

@offyourface: I'm not sure which sites use "last affiliate counts" as opposed to first, other than TowerGaming. TowerGaming always assigns the referral to the latest affiliate before sign-up. It shouldn't be hard to test though. Clear cookies, use a different affiliate's link, check your cookies to see which affiliate id is stored, then use your own link, check cookies again.

[Liam]

I agree. The player chose to sign up with you as your offer is better. Why should the player be punished for "Shopping around" so to speak.

Of course the fact that you give them the option makes it legit. If the script kicked in automatically then that's another issue as you really aren't giving the player a choice are you?

[RakeAway]

Originally Posted by Liam

I agree. The player chose to sign up with you as your offer is better. Why should the player be punished for "Shopping around" so to speak.

Of course the fact that you give them the option makes it legit. If the script kicked in automatically then that's another issue as you really aren't giving the player a choice are you?

Thanks Does anyone know of such a script? I'm guessing it's probably not possible without the use of some activex script or something (which I'm not going to use of course), but I could be wrong.

[PPP]

Originally Posted by offyourface

Why should affiliate X get credit on this referral when I sold them?

You sold them what? You got them to uninstall the software so they could cheat the cardroom and get a second bonus while you could cheat the first affiliate by "selling" the player on being dishonest?

This is one of the fundamental issues of being an affiliate. there are those who find, help create and encourage players. Then there are those who do nothing but steal players. These stealing affiliates add nothing to the business.

"hey delete your cookies and I can get you a second deposit bonus."
"hey clear your cookies and I'll get you 32.3% rakeback instead of 32.1% rakeback."

I understand it is somewhat frustrating for new affiliates to see literally millions of people tracked to someone else, but being a thief is not the answer.

(And even if your intention is relatively innocent in wanting to clear the cookies of a person who got one merely surfing around, that is a VERY trivial aspect of this issue.)

Encouraging players to clear their cookies should get an affiliate banned by any affiliate program.

[offyourface]

I got no idea wtf your talking about PPP. I don't get involved in any of that bullshit. No incentive markteing, nothing here. I don't want the player if they already have an account. I was only referring to players that don't have an account with a particular poker room. If they came to your site and exited to full tilt but didnt download and deposit, then they came to my site and exited and did decide to download and deposit, I should get credit for the sale, period. Why should you get the sale. You obviously didn't do a good enough job to make them convert and I did. I don't know where all this thievery and cheating talk is coming from but I don't mess with any of it.

Originally Posted by PPP

You sold them what? You got them to uninstall the software so they could cheat the cardroom and get a second bonus while you could cheat the first affiliate by "selling" the player on being dishonest?

[PPP]

Originally Posted by offyourface

I don't know where all this thievery and cheating talk is coming from but I don't mess with any of it.

Well that is the issue here. Just talking about surfing is trivial and not even worth mentioning.

If I lose a player because they vsiited Full Tilt via another site first, big deal, that all just works itself out. You lose some and you get some. Forget about that part, it's a wash.

The issue about clearing cookies is stealing players, and most specifically making it so someone can qualify for bonus or promotion they are otherwise not entitled to.

[offyourface]

Originally Posted by PPP

If I lose a player because they vsiited Full Tilt via another site first, big deal, that all just works itself out. You lose some and you get some. Forget about that part, it's a wash.

Actually its hardly a wash. If everyone got comparable traffic then sure it would be a wash. But the big affiliates that get 30X the traffic than I do have a hell of a lot more surfers out there with these cookies, so clearly they stand to benefit much more than the average affiliate. I bet 10% of the visitors who come to my site I have no shot at making a penny on because they have another cookie already on their computer from another affiliate. Its a bull shit way to do the cookies and I don't see anything wrong with me trying to protect my business in finding a way around giving my commissions away to someone who doesn't deserve it. Unfortunately without a tight forum community or incentive marketing, my visitors have no reason at all to take any steps so they can track to me like I deserve so I get the short end of the stick.

But the notion that any affiliate who does anything regarding having players clear their cookies is an underhanded thief because we want to get paid honestly for our traffic is ridiculous.

That being said I do agree if an affiliate is trying to get their visitors to clear cookies for the sole purpose of having them open up a dupe account or something along those lines which is probably the case in a lot of scenarios, then that is garbage and should not be allowed. All those losers should be banned. I can see with the username of the original poster why you might jump to the worst case scenario here.