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Old 02-15-2007, 01:01 PM
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How does the UIGEA violate the US Constitution?

What a bunch of morons
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Old 02-15-2007, 02:28 PM
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How does the UIGEA violate the US Constitution?

What a bunch of morons

Well, hmmm....how about Freedom of Speech?
Freedom of Expression?
Freedom of Choice?
The right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
The right to earn a living?
The right to privacy?
The right to avoid excessive intrusion of government bureaucracy into what you do in the comfort of your own home?
The right to not be discriminated against?
Separation of Church and State? (I worship the Poker Gods, or, alternatively, I have sold my soul to the Devil, and Bodog).

How about Free Trade? (I know that isn't in the Constitution, but it is a principle the US Government claims to believe in...but violates regularly anyways, in a most hypocritical manner).

Isn't there something in the Constitution that the laws should not be STUPID and hypocritical???

Why the hell can I use my telephone to bet $1,000 on "Can't Lose" in the 4th Race at Gulfstream today, but I cannot bet on who will win the Superbowl, or who will win the FA Cup of Real Manlaw Football?

Are you sure the founding Fathers didn't write something into the Constitution to prevent that kind of stupidity and interference with the God-given right to lose money on sporting events?

You know what? if it is unconstitutional to give Black people special consideration in university admissions so that their community can get caught up intellectually, economically, and politically...then it should be unconstitutional to give Las Vegas, Atlantic City, and Off Track Betting a FREEROLL for the wagering dollars of the American public.
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Old 02-15-2007, 03:47 PM
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Sorry....no where in the Constitution does it address gambling or online poker or guarantee it as a right or freedom.

Nor does gambling or poker have anything to do with Freedom of Speech or any of those other points you you listed.

The government is allowed to make laws governing commerce and gambling and thats what they did. The UIGEA is not unconstituitional and it's a horrible argument to make....a complete non-starter
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Old 02-15-2007, 05:49 PM
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Sorry....no where in the Constitution does it address gambling or online poker or guarantee it as a right or freedom.

Nor does gambling or poker have anything to do with Freedom of Speech or any of those other points you you listed.

The government is allowed to make laws governing commerce and gambling and thats what they did. The UIGEA is not unconstituitional and it's a horrible argument to make....a complete non-starter

Wow, are you in the right forum?
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Old 02-15-2007, 06:39 PM
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Wow, are you in the right forum?

That doesnt mean I support the UIGEA, I think it's crap and online gaming should be legal

But to say it's unconstitutional is just incorrect
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Old 02-15-2007, 10:02 PM
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That doesnt mean I support the UIGEA, I think it's crap and online gaming should be legal

But to say it's unconstitutional is just incorrect

I guess I am kind of taken aback by the certainty with which you make that declaration...whether it is incorrect to state the law is unconstitutional is something that would have to be decided by the Supreme Court. Of course, maybe you are Justice Scalia moonlighting as an affiliate.

Gambling - or Poker - do not need to be specifically mentioned in the Constitition in order for the principles of the Constitution to be applied to deciding whether laws enacted after the Constitution are just.

There are quite a few laws that have been struck down over the years - dealing with things which had not been specifically envisioned by the Founding Fathers who wrote the Constitution.

Affirmative Action, for one thing, was never described in the Constitution, but the process has been declared unconstitutional at several levels of the Justice System...and - depending upon the current makeup of the Supreme Court - some Affirmative Action practices have been ruled unconstitutional, while others have been confirmed as NOT unconstitutional.

Do you have any legal precedents or authorities that you are relying upon in your declaration that the claim that the law is unconstitutional is "just incorrect"?
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Old 02-16-2007, 08:51 AM
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There is not going to be a consitutional challenge to the UIGEA....you will never see it. Why? because it's not unconsitutional. You dont have to be legal expert to realize this.

It's just waste of time and a bad argument to make, when you should be focusing on the arguments needed to overturn the stupid law

just sayin

and you dont need to be an attorney or legal expert to understand and interpret the Constitution
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Old 02-16-2007, 12:47 PM
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There is not going to be a consitutional challenge to the UIGEA....you will never see it. Why? because it's not unconsitutional. You dont have to be legal expert to realize this.

It's just waste of time and a bad argument to make, when you should be focusing on the arguments needed to overturn the stupid law

Have you actually researched what are the main successful challenges that allow people to overturn laws?

Umm....analyzing the "constitutionality" IS one of the most likely "arguments needed to overturn the stupid law" unless you can get the elected officials to act together for a change.

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and you dont need to be an attorney or legal expert to understand and interpret the Constitution



Do you think that maybe attorneys and legal experts are *needed* to understand WHY something could be UNconstitutional?

Because, maybe, if it was so obvious to the naked eye, the laws would not have been passed in the first place?

Abortion was not discussed in the Constitution, either.

But it took attorneys and legal experts to find arguments that could make the Constitution seem relevant to the debate, and the decision to allow women to have abortions - which were against the law.

But, you are right - any idiot can see that abortion is not mentioned anywhere in the Constitution, so why bother trying to make the argument that laws preventing women from doing what they want with their own bodies are UNconstitutional?

Quite right, total waste of time.

Challenges to laws very frequently revolve around weighing the social benefit of allowing the almighty Government to do whatever it wants versus the Constitutional rights of the individual to do whatever s/he wants.

And, it does take *experts* to fight bullshit with bullshit.

I'll just give you one example:

"The 1998 Child Online Protection Act required Web sites to collect a credit card number or other proof of age before allowing Internet users to view material deemed “harmful to minors.” The 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals barred enforcement of that law, saying the standards were so broad and vague that the law was probably unconstitutional."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/...in510688.shtml

The combination of credit cards and access to pornography is not actually discussed in the Constitution, surprisingly.

However, it is not the *content* of the law which is the subject of the Constitutional appeal - but rather the *process* of the law which may have Constitutional relevance.

I would not be surprised if someone tries to make the argument that the UIGEA law is unconstitutional because it puts an unfair burden onto Banks that other businesses are not subjected to.....or something else to do with the *process* and *consequences* of the law.

The point is that it takes a little bit of brainstorming and creativity to find reasons *why* a law should be overturned. You are quite right, though - the rather black and white approach to Constitutional matters you have described is just a waste of time.
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Old 02-16-2007, 01:15 PM
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We'll see if there's a constitutional challenge to the UIGEA, I'll bet you right now there isnt

If there is, from a credible source, then I'll concede your point (whether or not it's successful), otherwise I think you're pontificating about an issue that is a non-starter
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