The value of certian backlinks?

[NewPokerGirl]

Thanks for the help guys...once I get my new site completed I will just buy a bunch of links from nice sites and do some very selective link exchanges.

[xpertadvice4u]

Originally Posted by NewPokerGirl

Thanks for the help guys...once I get my new site completed I will just buy a bunch of links from nice sites and do some very selective link exchanges.

why will anybody bother exchanging with *you* if your site is going to be new and relatively unranked????

If they exchange with you, I guess they are not being very "selective"?

I can understand the relative value of linking with established sites...but I don't quite fully understand why people are saying there is no value whatsoever in having unestablished sites linking to you.

Is it not better to have at least *those* links then NONE whatsoever?

[boarderman23]

Yes, any link helps even though you may not see any effect. As long as those sites are indexed by Google (and don't have hundreds of links on a page) then you gain. May be very very little though. So, quality is the big thing here.

Newpokergirl - If you haven't even released your site yet, I would be careful of how many high PR links you purchase. I'm not very clear what will get you in the sandbox, but one thing is if a new site comes about and the link structure looks suspicious. For example, why would a brand new site have a bunch of high PR one way links to their site? I don't know how many Google would require as suspicious, but that is just something I try to look out for when I start a new site.

[Dave]

NewPokerGirl,

You don't need to buy links. I've never paid for a link in my life.

I would suggest writing a few poker articles and submiting them to http://ezinearticles.com/ linking back to various related keyword rich pages on your site.

For example write an article about "sit n go strategy"..... use the phrase "sit n go strategy" once in the articles title.... 3 or 4 times in the content including once in the last paragragh...... use the term "sit n go strategy" in the clickable link back to a page on your website called Sit N Go Strategy.

I don't know why more webmasters don't do this. It works like a charm.


That alone will give your site a PR 3 or 4 in the next update and then the more "established sites" will exchange links with you and you can build from there.

[NewPokerGirl]

Originally Posted by xpertadvice4u

why will anybody bother exchanging with *you* if your site is going to be new and relatively unranked????

If they exchange with you, I guess they are not being very "selective"?

I can understand the relative value of linking with established sites...but I don't quite fully understand why people are saying there is no value whatsoever in having unestablished sites linking to you.

Is it not better to have at least *those* links then NONE whatsoever?

Its actually not a new site, it's a site thats being redesigned but it has pr. I am going to be selective because it would be pretty stupid to link with everyone that sends me a request. If I accepted anyone I would have a link farm. When i said selective I meant no subdomains, no link farms and no sites without content . I dont think anyone would want to link to a subdomain that only has a few banners up and almost no content.

[Randy]

Instead of deciding to link to sites based on what you're getting in return, decide who to link to based on how useful the other site is going to be for your visitors. Quantity is important, but quality is a lot more important.

[xpertadvice4u]

Originally Posted by Randy

Instead of deciding to link to sites based on what you're getting in return, decide who to link to based on how useful the other site is going to be for your visitors. Quantity is important, but quality is a lot more important.

This is what I do not understand....

Quantity is "important"...quality is "important"...to whom? or to what?

A lot of things can be "important"...but with regards to what, specifically?

Does Google somehow evaluate how useful and relevant the links you have are to to the subject matter of your pages??? How could they do that unless they had a human evaluating it? or is all done on ratio of common keywords or something?

Is there really some human who is going to say: "Well, this site only has three backlinks, but they are really relevant backlinks to the niche, even though they are not very highly ranked sites, and so we will give this site a higher ranking than site X which has twice as many links - but from sites with few commonalities."

How does it all work in reality?

Do human beings at Google or anywhere else actually evaluate each site on its contribution to the welfare of humanity, or whatever topic you have chosen as your niche? Or is it all mechanized and algorithm based?

[PPP]

Originally Posted by xpertadvice4u

Does Google somehow evaluate how useful and relevant the links you have are to to the subject matter of your pages??? How could they do that unless they had a human evaluating it?

Sure, and that part is pretty easy for them. After all, that is what they do. If they determine a page is relevant to "poker in somalia" and then ranks it #5 for that search, a link from that page to another page about poker in somalia will be valuable to that second page for a poker in somalia search moreso than a poker in tahiti search. How much more relevant is a question, but a link from the front page of pokerpages will be more helpful for poker searches than a link from newyorkrealestate.com

[edmc]

Originally Posted by Dave

NewPokerGirl,

You don't need to buy links. I've never paid for a link in my life.

I would suggest writing a few poker articles and submiting them to http://ezinearticles.com/ linking back to various related keyword rich pages on your site.

If you are not expecting results today. I send a couple of dumb articles in for a site I only use for playing around. Its a PR 3 now, no linking stategy involved. No site developing. just a practice site. Im like wtf? The artices were high PR so it must have rubbed off

[xpertadvice4u]

Originally Posted by PPP

Sure, and that part is pretty easy for them. After all, that is what they do. If they determine a page is relevant to "poker in somalia" and then ranks it #5 for that search, a link from that page to another page about poker in somalia will be valuable to that second page for a poker in somalia search moreso than a poker in tahiti search. How much more relevant is a question, but a link from the front page of pokerpages will be more helpful for poker searches than a link from newyorkrealestate.com

this would imply that links from projected high traffic sites like Brandon and Jeremy's Donkey Lotto would have less value than links from sites with less volume of traffic, but more concrete connections to poker content???