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Can we just get this thread back on track now.

I tried to be objective, and provided a statistical analysis of PPP's arguments, which nobody probably will bother to read....cause it is too long.

PPP is absolutely right in some of the things he says, and probably wrong in other ways.

But I can scarcely feel sorry for him being attacked personally, although I think edmc was rude also....and now I am going to join in...and be rude, if that is how anybody wants to interpret it.

You have defended PPP's integrity, but what about the outright attack on the noobie OP's integrity in PPP's response, in which he accused the guy of cheating and helping various scam artists to cheat the poor starving Poker rooms?

As Ye sew, so shall ye Reap.

The thread was derailed at that point, and beyond, as PPP continued to put words in the guy's mouth and suggest that the guy was misleading everybody and misrepresenting his purpose in getting cookies deleted.

I don't care how much his opinion is respected anywhere else, he will get the respect/disrespect his comments to others in this forum warrant....

PPP is the one who started being rude and obnoxious and accusatory first.
When he basically accused edmc of being drunk - rather than either ignoring or responding to the arguments - Dave commented that it seemed like a low blow.

For that, Dave was told he was being rude and obnoxious.
Dave has a right to his opinion, even if he is not a real Molson's Canadian
and being critical of PPP is not rude and obnoxious in and of itself.

But PPP, with his overinflated ego, obviously cannot see why anybody would ever disagree with him - on anything.

PPP is not the Pope, nor the Queen, nor anybody else whose identity is well known, but he acts like someone who thinks that people should bow down and agree just because he insults them and accuses them of tunnel-vision.

He acts like he knows everything, and everybody else is just soooo ignorant, and then it turns out he does not even know what cookie-stuffing is all about (or so he says).

But that does not stop him from uttering pompous pronouncements about how righteous he is, and how everybody else who does not agree is either an idiot or a scumbag scam artist.

He cannot see the flaws in his own thinking, but when you prove him wrong, he changes the context of the discussion and tries to claim he was arguing about something else.

Just like here, where when the OP swore he was just interested in making sure deserving Affiliates got credited, suddenly PPP is claiming that the argument is actually all about how telling customers to clear cookies is going to cost the Poker rooms money.

Huh? How is that again?

Why, by telling people to clear their cookies, OP is aiding and abetting the scam artists who try to get bonuses for second or third signups (or whatever).

This is like one of the dumbest things I have heard lately.
The scam artists who are trying to score extra bonuses are hardly likely to have heard of clearing cookies for the first time on OP's website.

If they are truly that unsophisticated, then the Poker Rooms surely do not need any affiliates' help in catching idiots like that.

PPP even admitted - on his own - that Poker Rooms use more than just those cookies to track such things.....DOH!!!!

For your information, Mr. Know-it- all, there are changes made to the registry that clearing cookies will not undo....so clearing cookies for making sure you get credit is *not* going to damage the poker rooms by rendering them defenseless against the scam artists.

The poker rooms have highly sophisticated anti-fraud programs, just like they can tell who is using bots and bot-facilitating software on their computers. They can tell when a computer has contacted their site through other identification mechanisms....not just IP matching, but deeper stuff....at the machine level.

In any case, the cookies are re-inserted as soon as anybody visits the site again.

So, if they have other techniques available to protect themselves, then maybe it is not such a treasonous thing *after all* to ask somebody to clear their cookies?

So, maybe all this was a red herring, much ado about nothing, a mountain made out of a mole-hill?

Maybe it was all so PPP could cover up his own ignorant rude comments, and he had to find some other reason for attacking the OP???

And maybe the onus should not always be on affiliates to bear the responsibility of protecting the Poker Rooms....who hardly have a reputation for making sure that *their* business procedures always take into consideration the welfare of affiliates.

It does not matter how many times you point out PPP's inconsistencies of logic to him....he refuses to see his own contradictions.

The truth is quite clear: Big affiliates - with their huge numbers of daily hits - have a very small probability of encountering visitors who have already been to a small site before visiting the big site.

It really does not happen nearly as often as the reverse....where a small site has a much higher probability of getting a visitor who has already been to a big site.

For the big affiliates, losing RMPs in this manners is a statistically insignificant blip in their income.

For small affiliates, it can be a huge bite that they cannot afford.

Under the right circumstances, small affiliates can benefit by their visitors going on and signing up through a Big site's portals....IF - and only if - the big site does not have their own bonus code that overrides cookies.

However, I would like to see some sort of statistical analysis of just how often the "right circumstances" truly occur.

If big sites have their own Bonus Codes, and small sites do not, the small sites are at a tremendous *relative* disadvantage.

Smaller affiliates need to ask clients to clear their cookies out of *self-defense*.

And PPP is full of shite when he accuses them of being crooks, or of stealing from honest affiliates, just because they recommend that clients clear their cookies.

Several posters have pointed out that it is quite common and normal for people to clean out their cookies, and even some poker rooms tell affiliates and players alike to try doing it.

PPP may have all the integrity in the world when it comes to his Poker sites...I wish to hell I knew him and could learn from him....but his arguments in *this* forum, now and in the past, have lacked intellectual integrity.

He is much too quick to condemn other posters and ridicule their points of view.

He is pompous, and self-righteous. OK, so am I....and maybe that is why he bugs me so much.

However, there is a major difference.

PPP is needlessly mean-spirited.

By all means, next time any of you see *me* going out of my way to attack a new poster and utter unfair accusations, *please* call me on it.
I think it will improve the forum.

Just like PPP could improve the forum by acting as smart as he thinks he is.