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Originally Posted by Kyle

I didnt' say I do seo 14 hours a day, but I work on a network of sites that long a day. SEO, marketing, networking, outsourcing, etc.

That was a direct quote: "...remember that I do this 14 hours a day 6 days a week and I know what I'm talking about."

If I recall, the topic was SEO, and you were representing youself as a top expert, a "real SEO" - one who knows what he is talking about because he does it 14 hours a day. I think it is very clear what you said. I neither misquoted nor misrepresented what you said - in your own words.

Originally Posted by Kyle

When someone says "little" don't replace it with "nothing" especially when you are quoting one of the most successful web gurus in the world. (John Scott). .

Actually, it is *you* that I misquoted, not John Scott.

I reproduced the quote accurately:

Originally Posted by Kyle

"ROI has little to do with search engine optimization."

And then I asked the question:

Then why bother investing the time and money in doing SEO?

...if it has so little to do with ROI?

You still have not answered that question.

And then I asked you why you spend time doing stuff that has nothing to do with ROI. But, you had actually stated that:

Originally Posted by Kyle

a complete seo program is going to require you opening up your pocketbook for links, but that has nothing to do with marketing,

(emphasis added)

So, I apologize...you are actually stating - for the record - buying links for SEO has nothing to do with Marketing.

And then, because a "Guru" has stated it - that ROI has *LITTLE* to do with SEO.


So, alright then, I'll rephrase the question: why do you spend so much time (14 hours a day) doing things that have "little" to do with ROI???

And why do you think you deserve to be paid $1,000 per week if ROI has so little to do with SEO? How could anybody afford it if it has so little impact on ROI?

Originally Posted by Kyle

If you want people on this forum and industry to take you seriously, drop your longest poster title and stop twisting people's word's around. That wasn't even my quote.,

Well, Kyle, if you want ME to take YOU seriously, you need to stop saying logically indefensible things like ROI has little to do with SEO or SEO has nothing to do with marketing.

I don't think either of those statements fits with a guy who claims to be an expert and knows what he is talking about "because he does it 14 hours a day."

Neither you, nor your Guru, seem to understand that what you call SEO is a function of Marketing. You are trying to make some artificial distinction, as if it is some sort of pursuit of excellence or whatever done for it's own intrinsic value...or whatever.

But that is what is ridiculous about this exchange so far:

You still have yet to state why the hell you bother to do SEO, if ROI has little to do with it, and it has nothing to do with Marketing, and how it could be worth $1,000 per week to a business - if what you are saying is true.

Originally Posted by Kyle

If I buy 1000 links on poker footer sites all over the net, that is SEO, not marketing because it isnt going to send any traffic. If I buy non-follow links in high traffic spots on top poker sites, it is for marketing. Can you see the difference? If it is a banner it might just be for branding, even if it sends little traffic. You can do very similar things for different reasons in this business.

(Emphasis added)

OK, Kyle...

You can do marketing tasks that have nothing to do with SEO: True.
Marketing existed before SEO was ever dreamed about.

You can do SEO tasks that have nothing to do with Marketing: False.
Nobody would pay you $1,000 per week to do SEO if it weren't for Marketing (and ROI): True.

You're trying to claim that if buying 1,000 links does not result in traffic, it is SEO and not marketing...that's just poor logic.

There is no reason to buy 1,000 links on poker footer sites - in the first place - if you are not trying to create an effect that will result in more traffic...eventually. The whole point of SEO is to increase traffic, and business. Period.

Oh, says who? stupid xpertadvice4u?

No, Kyle....Read THIS:

Search engine optimization (SEO), a subset of search engine marketing, is the process of improving the volume and quality of traffic to a web site from search engines

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_engine_optimization

Hmmm...didn't you just say that buying 1,000 "footer-site" links is SEO - not marketing - because it is NOT going to send any traffic?

But Wikipedia seems to think that the definition of SEO is the process of improving traffic, and that it is a subset of marketing...I guess they are not worth $1,000 per week.

I didn't misquote you, and I am not twisting your words.

Seeing as you like quotes:

"Because the purpose of business is to create a customer, the business enterprise has two--and only two--basic functions: marketing and innovation.... Marketing is the distinguishing, unique function of the business."

, Peter Drucker , The Practice of Management, quoted in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marketing

You evidently refuse to admit it, but the only reason anybody would pay you the $1,000 per week you claim you deserve is because it would help to create customers.

And the reason for creating customers is to increase ROI.

You do SEO to improve Marketing.
You do Marketing to improve ROI.
You do SEO to improve ROI.

That is LOGIC.

Now stop being obtuse, please.
And stop being snotty and condescending when people ask for help:

Originally Posted by Kyle

If you really need me to explain why...

It's very unCanadian.