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Old 12-20-2006, 12:56 AM
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Poker Ocean/Titan Poker has proven to be scumbags in the past. They give you a high CPA and tell you to bring them X amount of referals that make a deposit of X amount of $'s.

Although you hold up your end of the bargain, they take away all your CPA if they dont like the Net Gaming etc... Its very tricky business.

It is near impossible to guess how much your players will play in the first month. This is the funny part about this. I did much marketing in the Portugal region and as you know their country is not known for being a money power house nation and many of the players I brought in were in college and such. That brought down their "immediate" value so Casino Partners decides to wipe out the 47 referals I brought in this month. At $120 each,. thats $5600 and now they wish to pay me off 1700 for the 47 players. I agree to this deal after arguing and being upset, i realized I will not get anywhere with these people. Then I get messaged 20min later from my Account Manager again saying they will give me the 1700 but only if i continue to bring them players at 25% commision and $10 a player. They requested 15+ players a day from me. They said the 1700 buyout is only valid if my players do really good in rake this month. I told them I will no longer promote them unless they give me the 1700 as promised. They also told me in a previous email I would be paid twice in the month of December and then was told this would only happen in January. I have an email of this and he claims he didnt mean to say December.

They had no problem paying me in 2 previous months. My Account Manager told me just 2 days prior everything is great keep bringing in the players. Then WHAM! He says he is forced to do it because of people above him. I think they are just trying to get VALUE players added to their stock. Dont tell an affiliate you are going to give them $120, have them do the work and then change the deal. Thats just not right.

In their defense I have no idea what net gaming my players from mostly Portugal were bringing in at the time. They dont provide that information so it makes it very difficult to know if extra motivation (buyin tournies, freerolls) is needed to make them redeposit.

I offered a great freeroll on my site and it brought in a ton of players, so i get punished for it. They should have stuck to the deal as in previous months and paid the $5600 they owed and changed the deal after that.

I thought everything was going good and wham...they take it all away and try to pay me crap and back out of their deal. It has me questioning their loyalty to the Paw Program.

They get us all signed up promoting them and bring in 2,000-10,000 players a month then take the carpet out from underneath us. I dont trust them for nothing.

Players need time to make more deposits, you cant expect the world from them. They have lives, bills etc.. They love poker but have to play responsibly. My players were depositing an average of $35-$45 from what I was told and I guess that wasnt good enough to earn more then $1700. I thought CPA was for them to wait for the net rake. I could have done a revenue share myself and waited for the cash if i wanted to do that.

Most of my players like tournaments also and that takes away from their net gaming and gives it to someones elses referals who wins the tournaments. I have talked to my players and most of them said they have cash in their account and most of them said they have yet to make a single withdrawal.

Its not like these players are depositing and taking their cash back, they are playing they just dont have the time of day that most others have. I am sorry not all my players are Gus Hansen and play 23 out of 24 hours a day.

I was told by my AM that if I kept bringing in large numbers thats all that matters. He even told me the amount to get them to deposit 35-50. So in my freeroll marketing I told the players they have to deposit 35 atleast to be eligible for our private freeroll.

Not sure why their was no problems last month. By the way these freerolls were the idea of my account manager and were totally approved for my deal.

I deffinately feel backstabbed and robbed of $5600. I am not going to promote them anymore unless they pay me my $1700 and even after that im not sure as I cant trust them anymore. I dont like my site clutters with 500 ads so I will give the space to the rooms who are loyal and honest with their affiliates.

If the value of those players was that bad, then change the deal and we move on, dont take money earned away from an affiliate, thats just bad business.

I will update you all as this matter unfolds.

Last edited by DontLook : 12-20-2006 at 01:06 AM.
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