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Old 12-13-2007, 03:34 PM
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Good point.
You'll still find though that over time any affiliate with a good volume of traffic will end up with enough winning players that it averages out.
A good example would be a Bodog account I have where the monthly deposits between all players are usually $1500-$2000 but the rake every month is constantly over $5K. This is because there are quite a few small players I've had for years that slowly build up a bankroll and cash out a bit at a time. This is just one account I recall because I've always found it interesting how sometimes my commission at just a % of rake is higher than all my players combined deposited in a month, and we don't offer rakeback there.
Anyways point being that it all averages out in time. Of course when first starting at a room the fees will be higher, but this is of course small sample size. I doubt in the long run anyone with even medium sized volume ends up earning less than 20% at cake, perhaps I'm wrong.
I guess maybe for smaller affiliates that PAW deal would be better than I though. Initially i though that the CPA w/ MGR was a bad idea because my experience has been that cake player value is out rageously high compared to other sites.
Anyways sorry to hear about your 3%
I have a similar situation with Carbon Poker. its not fees it just that each month i earn less than $1 per player I sign up and I have many hundreds signed up total
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Old 12-13-2007, 03:40 PM
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In Cake's defense, I think instituting this was probably a knee jerk reaction. After all, there are several other rooms in the industry that roll the transaction fees over to the affiliates. The problem is when these players deposit $50 after $50 after $50 and so on. Of course as affiliates, we really have no way of avoiding this.

The one thing I will say however is that I still have faith in CakePoker. Shenaz is the director of that program and I know she has always wanted to do what's in the best interest of her affiliates.

I also spoke with her this morning and they are re-evaluating the entire situation. I think they may not have realized just how much the fees would add up.

If you know Shenaz, they you probably realize she is going to make it a win/win for everyone.
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Many companies in the industries do this... Last month I had a $450 dollar charge in my Poker.com account.

This industry is great and horrible all in one. I have dealt with publicly traded Poker Companies that are horrible and have stiffed us plenty of money. I can tell you this and feel very comfortable saying this: We have dealt with nearly every company in the industry and I trust Cakepoker and what they represent as much as I trust anyone in the industry. To be honest even more than 99% of the companies I have dealt with. (Brandon I trust you but have not worked with you on a campaign yet so don't take this personal LOL)

Don't jump ship on this company because there is not many in the industry that I can say this about. Let them know your concerns and i'm promising you they will resolve this with the best intentions of everyone involved.
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Don't jump ship on this company because there is not many in the industry that I can say this about. Let them know your concerns and i'm promising you they will resolve this with the best intentions of everyone involved.
Agreed on all counts!
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Great post lifeofsportsdotcom
I agree fully, Cake is a rake breed in this day in age.
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Old 12-13-2007, 04:28 PM
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The one thing I will say however is that I still have faith in CakePoker. Shenaz is the director of that program and I know she has always wanted to do what's in the best interest of her affiliates.
I am going to take a back seat then and not do anything hasty and see how this plays out. I have always heard that Shenaz was one of the best directors around, so I will give this problem an opportunity to work itself out before I jump ship like lifeofsports and Jeremy recommended. But with this model they are begging affiliates to take them down, so I really hope they revisit these fees.

They need to ask themselves are these fees actually going to be bring in more revenue for them, or are they going to hurt them when the many affiliates like me don't feel comfortable growing a player base here? I know I can't make any genuine push with them under these circumstances, and I am clearly not alone.
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Old 12-13-2007, 04:38 PM
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This kind of thing, all ears...

Appreciate the input
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Anyone notice if you run a summary report or a net revenue report you get different numbers , Which one is correct
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I'm kinda new to this whole world, but after dealing with a lot of affiliate managers and a lot of affiliate systems in the last few months, IMO Cake and Shenaz are so far in front of the pack, they leave the rest way behind.

If every affiliate system was like Cake's and every affiliate manager like Shenaz, I'd be pretty happy.

I'm sitting on the fence with the deductions issue (can see arguments from both sides), but I will be supporting Cake strongly regardless.
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Old 12-17-2007, 02:43 AM
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I took them down for the time being, out of the stats I posted before, I had one guy playing, he deposited another $600, played another 150 raked hands, and now I owe them almost $100. I don't see how this can be anything but a recurring cycle with no money made on my end unless every player under you plays like Doyle and doesn't need to redeposit. When they address this issue I will look at them again, but I'm not sending another player here under these circumstances.

Then
XX XX
BG 11/27/2007 $1,800.00 583 962
$184.13 $0.00 $60.00 $0.00 $144.00 ($19.87)


Now
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XX BG 11/27/2007 $2,400.00 747 1312
$243.01 $0.00 $90.00 $0.00 $248.00 ($94.99)
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